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		<title>By: NickySS</title>
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		<dc:creator>NickySS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Dec 2006 19:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi! 
Nice info, big thx.</description>
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Nice info, big thx.</p>
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		<title>By: trina</title>
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		<dc:creator>trina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 16:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really Mayuri, how could you think that Rakhi Sawant videos would be A-rated...I mean all she does is show a mile of her cleavage, her butt- crack once in a while. And she is occasionally licked and bitten by indiscriminate men. That is not vulgar, oh no.
But did you see that scene in Omkara where Konkona is lieing down on Saif&#039;s bare chest and that sequesnce when Kareena is chasing Ajay Devagan in the fields? chhi chhi! &quot;Omkara is vulgar.&quot; 
Vive le Rakhi Sawant!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really Mayuri, how could you think that Rakhi Sawant videos would be A-rated&#8230;I mean all she does is show a mile of her cleavage, her butt- crack once in a while. And she is occasionally licked and bitten by indiscriminate men. That is not vulgar, oh no.<br />
But did you see that scene in Omkara where Konkona is lieing down on Saif&#8217;s bare chest and that sequesnce when Kareena is chasing Ajay Devagan in the fields? chhi chhi! &#8220;Omkara is vulgar.&#8221;<br />
Vive le Rakhi Sawant!</p>
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		<title>By: mayuri</title>
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		<dc:creator>mayuri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 07:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok, i read this in the mornign papers- 

and i NOT quoting, just paraphrasing -

Recently, the govt. has decided to come down heavily on obscene music videos that litter indian television. And so, some of those who star in music videos where questioned - u kno the usual, &quot; do u think ur job will be threatened etc? &quot;

and Ms. Rakhi Sawant was one of them - she said that she doesnt need to be woried, since none of her videos have been A-rated, but there are many videos that are definietly vulgar.( so far, so good)And then she adds, &quot; omkara is vulgar&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok, i read this in the mornign papers- </p>
<p>and i NOT quoting, just paraphrasing -</p>
<p>Recently, the govt. has decided to come down heavily on obscene music videos that litter indian television. And so, some of those who star in music videos where questioned &#8211; u kno the usual, &#8221; do u think ur job will be threatened etc? &#8221;</p>
<p>and Ms. Rakhi Sawant was one of them &#8211; she said that she doesnt need to be woried, since none of her videos have been A-rated, but there are many videos that are definietly vulgar.( so far, so good)And then she adds, &#8221; omkara is vulgar&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: mayuri</title>
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		<dc:creator>mayuri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Aug 2006 17:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as trina&#039;s last post is concerned, i compltely agree .

I&#039;d just like to reiterate one last point-
Omkara may not have been a biggest hit of the year, but it has done pretty well for itself.
the critics have appreciated the movie and very liberally so.
and even the BO collections were good ( or so i hear).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as trina&#8217;s last post is concerned, i compltely agree .</p>
<p>I&#8217;d just like to reiterate one last point-<br />
Omkara may not have been a biggest hit of the year, but it has done pretty well for itself.<br />
the critics have appreciated the movie and very liberally so.<br />
and even the BO collections were good ( or so i hear).</p>
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		<title>By: mayuri</title>
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		<dc:creator>mayuri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Aug 2006 17:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as trina&#039;s last post is concerned, i compltely agree .

I&#039;d just like to reiterate one last point-
Omkara may not have been a biggest hit of the year, but it has dont pretty well for itself.
the critics have appreciated the movie and very liberally so.
and even the BO collections were good ( or so i hear).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as trina&#8217;s last post is concerned, i compltely agree .</p>
<p>I&#8217;d just like to reiterate one last point-<br />
Omkara may not have been a biggest hit of the year, but it has dont pretty well for itself.<br />
the critics have appreciated the movie and very liberally so.<br />
and even the BO collections were good ( or so i hear).</p>
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		<title>By: trina</title>
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		<dc:creator>trina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Aug 2006 11:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definately agree that the Indian audiences are evolving and our tastes are improving, although, i want to reiterate, that we have a long way to go. 
I have seen whole interviews on TV on why Karan Johar didn&#039;t make a feel-good movie. Truth is, in India its usually the feel-good movies that do well at the box-office. Evryone&#039;s a sucker for happy endings. And i guess that is understandable to some extent as unlike in Hollywood, people here in India have to worry about basic survival and do not give a damn about cinematography and subtle acting. Like mayuri said in her first comment...people want to escape from their gruelling realities to a glamorous life for a little while.
But the problem, according to me, is when people who do not have to fight for their basic necessities, or do not have difficult lives, live pretty glamorous lives themselves too look only for feel-good movies and will not accept the harsh truths that movies like Omkara and Fiza show. 
I think their psychology works in the oppsite direction to those who are tryign to excape their own hard lives. These educated, rich and &quot;happy&quot; people do not want to pollute their happiness by watching what lies beyond their glamorous lifestyles. They run by the &quot;ignorance is bliss&quot; principle. 
And it is this part of the population really (and we encounter too many of them in our lives...a &quot;large section&quot; of our class, so to say...) which seem to be the problem to me. Because the people who are fighting for basic survival maybe expected to start appreciating reality-based, harsh movies when one day (yes...one day) India becomes a developed nation and per capita income goes up; but those so called &quot;elites&quot; who fail to appreciate movies like Omkara merely because it makes you feel horrid and makes you think about human nature in spite of having the time and capability to do all the thinking...there&#039;s just no hope for them.
And as for Mayuri&#039;s aunt who faced a problem when she took her 12 year old son to watch Omkara. Well, you can&#039;t hold the swear words against the movie...its just not a valid point, and I&#039;ve talked about this in my opening article as well. Omkara is an A-rated movie, so your aunt should not have taken her 12 year old son to watch it at all. And those swear words were NECESSARY to create the atmosphere, local colour to make the film realistic, to bring the feel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definately agree that the Indian audiences are evolving and our tastes are improving, although, i want to reiterate, that we have a long way to go.<br />
I have seen whole interviews on TV on why Karan Johar didn&#8217;t make a feel-good movie. Truth is, in India its usually the feel-good movies that do well at the box-office. Evryone&#8217;s a sucker for happy endings. And i guess that is understandable to some extent as unlike in Hollywood, people here in India have to worry about basic survival and do not give a damn about cinematography and subtle acting. Like mayuri said in her first comment&#8230;people want to escape from their gruelling realities to a glamorous life for a little while.<br />
But the problem, according to me, is when people who do not have to fight for their basic necessities, or do not have difficult lives, live pretty glamorous lives themselves too look only for feel-good movies and will not accept the harsh truths that movies like Omkara and Fiza show.<br />
I think their psychology works in the oppsite direction to those who are tryign to excape their own hard lives. These educated, rich and &#8220;happy&#8221; people do not want to pollute their happiness by watching what lies beyond their glamorous lifestyles. They run by the &#8220;ignorance is bliss&#8221; principle.<br />
And it is this part of the population really (and we encounter too many of them in our lives&#8230;a &#8220;large section&#8221; of our class, so to say&#8230;) which seem to be the problem to me. Because the people who are fighting for basic survival maybe expected to start appreciating reality-based, harsh movies when one day (yes&#8230;one day) India becomes a developed nation and per capita income goes up; but those so called &#8220;elites&#8221; who fail to appreciate movies like Omkara merely because it makes you feel horrid and makes you think about human nature in spite of having the time and capability to do all the thinking&#8230;there&#8217;s just no hope for them.<br />
And as for Mayuri&#8217;s aunt who faced a problem when she took her 12 year old son to watch Omkara. Well, you can&#8217;t hold the swear words against the movie&#8230;its just not a valid point, and I&#8217;ve talked about this in my opening article as well. Omkara is an A-rated movie, so your aunt should not have taken her 12 year old son to watch it at all. And those swear words were NECESSARY to create the atmosphere, local colour to make the film realistic, to bring the feel.</p>
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		<title>By: mayuri</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 04:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>offcourse, the indian audience is growing/changing.Indian cinema is evolving. they have more options now and all.

and see, there is nothing wrong in watchin actors running around trees. If someone finds it enteratining , why not?

Also, &quot;I&#039; would prefer omkara to Kank ,but tha doesnt mean evrybody else would - simply because, esp. in this case, not evrybody has read shakespeare, not evrybody knows the story of Othello, not evrybody would understand the dialect ( hell,neither did I, atleast for a significant part)not evrybody would want to hear the word &#039;chutiya&#039; with the 12yr old sitting by their side...
unlike these others, i and u and trina have read othello, know the basic plot, and didnt have 12 yr olds sittign next to us!

and lemme say this again, Omkara and kank are not in conflict. they are just difrerent kinds of cinema that cater 2 differnt tastes. tey simply exist side by side. its not sucha big deal!
Some watch omkara, some watch Kank  and most otehrs watch both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>offcourse, the indian audience is growing/changing.Indian cinema is evolving. they have more options now and all.</p>
<p>and see, there is nothing wrong in watchin actors running around trees. If someone finds it enteratining , why not?</p>
<p>Also, &#8220;I&#8217; would prefer omkara to Kank ,but tha doesnt mean evrybody else would &#8211; simply because, esp. in this case, not evrybody has read shakespeare, not evrybody knows the story of Othello, not evrybody would understand the dialect ( hell,neither did I, atleast for a significant part)not evrybody would want to hear the word &#8216;chutiya&#8217; with the 12yr old sitting by their side&#8230;<br />
unlike these others, i and u and trina have read othello, know the basic plot, and didnt have 12 yr olds sittign next to us!</p>
<p>and lemme say this again, Omkara and kank are not in conflict. they are just difrerent kinds of cinema that cater 2 differnt tastes. tey simply exist side by side. its not sucha big deal!<br />
Some watch omkara, some watch Kank  and most otehrs watch both.</p>
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		<title>By: rubina ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>rubina ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@mayuri

hey but dont u reckon the indian audience today is growing with time....gone are the days when people preferred watchin actors running  and dancing around the trees....as in wudnt you prefer an &quot;omkara&quot; to &quot;kank&quot;....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@mayuri</p>
<p>hey but dont u reckon the indian audience today is growing with time&#8230;.gone are the days when people preferred watchin actors running  and dancing around the trees&#8230;.as in wudnt you prefer an &#8220;omkara&#8221; to &#8220;kank&#8221;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: mayuri</title>
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		<dc:creator>mayuri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ruby

No, its not at all crazy- infact it makes perfect sense. 

firstly, movies like maqbool and omkara are usually made for a niche audience - like it not.
take for eg omkara: the language barrier made it very difficult for my aunt, who by the way speaks hindi at home, to understand the nitty gritties of the plot. naturally, she wasnt too satisfied with the whole movie - though she did appreciate some of the other aspects of the movie which went beyond linguistic barriers. yet the experience was incomplete.
Also, she was convinced that the language was unfit for her 12 yr old. No matter how realistic it may have been. 

on the other hand, a movie like KANK or the KJ-YC-SRK combo movies like KHNH or KKHH, are ones that generally cater to all classes and age groups. 
Its the usual love story ( at times, twisted beyond redemption). Plus its visually appealing - the foriegn locales and designer costumes.And the music score is usually feet-tapping and all.
Over all you get a well packaged deal.Naturally, these movies do better at the Box Office than others. 

You see, when you talk of a sucess - there are 2 kinds- commercial and critical. if KANK is declared a BO hit, it simply means it has been a commercial success. 
And omkara has definitely recvd loads of critical acclaim. 
Ofcourse there are some flims like, Black  and Monsoon Wedding, for eg which recvd both but then again such films are few and far between

and lemme reiterate one more point - both omkara and maqbool were hugely appreciated by the critics. and they did not flop at the BO either-infact they did bring home profits as well, if i am not mistaken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ruby</p>
<p>No, its not at all crazy- infact it makes perfect sense. </p>
<p>firstly, movies like maqbool and omkara are usually made for a niche audience &#8211; like it not.<br />
take for eg omkara: the language barrier made it very difficult for my aunt, who by the way speaks hindi at home, to understand the nitty gritties of the plot. naturally, she wasnt too satisfied with the whole movie &#8211; though she did appreciate some of the other aspects of the movie which went beyond linguistic barriers. yet the experience was incomplete.<br />
Also, she was convinced that the language was unfit for her 12 yr old. No matter how realistic it may have been. </p>
<p>on the other hand, a movie like KANK or the KJ-YC-SRK combo movies like KHNH or KKHH, are ones that generally cater to all classes and age groups.<br />
Its the usual love story ( at times, twisted beyond redemption). Plus its visually appealing &#8211; the foriegn locales and designer costumes.And the music score is usually feet-tapping and all.<br />
Over all you get a well packaged deal.Naturally, these movies do better at the Box Office than others. </p>
<p>You see, when you talk of a sucess &#8211; there are 2 kinds- commercial and critical. if KANK is declared a BO hit, it simply means it has been a commercial success.<br />
And omkara has definitely recvd loads of critical acclaim.<br />
Ofcourse there are some flims like, Black  and Monsoon Wedding, for eg which recvd both but then again such films are few and far between</p>
<p>and lemme reiterate one more point &#8211; both omkara and maqbool were hugely appreciated by the critics. and they did not flop at the BO either-infact they did bring home profits as well, if i am not mistaken.</p>
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		<title>By: rubina ahmed</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 17:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the same instance occured with &quot;maqbool&quot;....inspite of it being a great  movie there was hardly any talk about it...the movie got released n vanished even sooner....actually i reckon in india most of the films click just by the tag it bears...n the most usual ones being d yash chopra tag...no matter  how crappy a yash banner movie is..it ends up being the talk of the town....its crazy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the same instance occured with &#8220;maqbool&#8221;&#8230;.inspite of it being a great  movie there was hardly any talk about it&#8230;the movie got released n vanished even sooner&#8230;.actually i reckon in india most of the films click just by the tag it bears&#8230;n the most usual ones being d yash chopra tag&#8230;no matter  how crappy a yash banner movie is..it ends up being the talk of the town&#8230;.its crazy</p>
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